With a voice that sounds as if it were emanating from the depths of a smoky lounge somewhere just off the Las Vegas strip, guitarist and singer Suryakant Sawhney beckons you into a world that is at once foreign and very familiar. "Maybe I'm a fool, a fool like you/ Believing in heaven, from inside a zoo," the Peter Cat Recording Co. frontman croons over a sparse melody that swells with each verse.
Wherever in the world we are — the group's latest album begins with silence, then explodes with a speaker-breaking bang designed to disorient — is irrelevant. Peter Cat Recording Co. may be based in New Delhi, India, but the quintet's sonic locale reflects a global interest. Their latest album, BETA, melds guitar-driven rock with jazz, Indian pop, and psychedelia.
"Making something new now is this concerted process you have to take," Sawhney tells GRAMMY.com. "You mix your own culture with what you learned outside your own culture, and you start making these new mutants sort of songs."
These musical mutations appear and evolve through Peter Cat Recording Co.'s catalog. Over multiple studio albums and a compilation, the group has tackled big band ("Portrait Of A Time"), dance music ("Love Demons") and, more recently, surrealist disco on BETA's "21c." But BETA offers more than simply scratching the genre-bending itches of its members; it delivers "stories about the future told 50 years in the past, to make sense of the present, on our only home, planet Earth,” per a press release on the largely songwriting-based project.
The self-produced album tackles themes of marriage, childbirth and beyond. In fact, a child was crucial in the name of their record: Members put five potential album titles in a hat and let drummer Karan Singh's 6-month-old son pick one. BETA — a Hindi word for "child" — was the winner.
On Aug. 14, the group will kick off a 77-date tour through the U.S., Europe, and India, featuring both headlining sets and support for Khruangbin. Suryakant Sawhney and multi-instrumentalist Kartik Sundareshan Pillai spoke with GRAMMY.com about creating BETA, the state of rock bands in India, and more.
This interview has been edited for clarity.
Tell us a bit about the seeds that were planted that led to this new record.
Suryakant Sawhney: We had a specific recording session, which I think really jumpstarted the whole process. We all lived in Goa for the last few years, and there was this one little house we rented out; this old, 2-300-year old little cottage, which was owned by a priest. I was trying to do a film shoot or a music video shoot or something, and it just sounded great and looked beautiful.
So we decided to rent it from the church. We landed up there at 2, 3 a.m., set up for a few hours, and I think recorded a bunch of music for five, six hours 'til the dawn.
Kartik Sundareshan Pillai: I think it's that recording space. Later on, [we went to] Joshua Tree and there's another recording studio over there that we worked at for two weeks. Plus, just having a bunch of songs that we knew were going to fit together.
How was the vibe out in Joshua Tree?
Pillai: Yeah, that was pretty incredible. Rabbits and cherries. It was a very, very, very pretty place.
And take us into the writing of the record a little bit. How does that work with you guys?
Sawhney: There's basically three different ways we go about writing a song. One will be, one of the songwriters — in most cases, it's me right now — I'll bring a song which is more than half finished in terms of arrangement, writing lyrics, where the song space is. Then the rest of the band joins in and we try to finish it.
Then there's something which is far more spare, and then everybody just takes a go at it, like adding parts. And then the third variation, there's almost nothing, which is rarer. We’re very much a songwriter-driven project.
Then it takes years to just come to terms with it, make our peace with it, because we also produce it ourselves. We get into this unholy cycle of making it, hating it, wasting our time, then re-recording it, then looking back and being like, "Oh, that was good enough. Why dont it again?" Finally, at the end of the day, you settle with what you have.
I was reading a 'Variety' interview with you guys last year and they called you “One of the last few remaining bands in India.” That was a year ago. What's the landscape in your slice of the country right now as far as indie and guitar music?
Pillai: I think it's more electronic [music happening], but there are lots of bands now slowly coming back. There was one period of time where there was almost nothing, and then now they're starting to kind of pop up here and there, like Donraj, All Parks Are Green. Pacifist.
Then there's some friends of ours who also have makeshift bands. There's another band called Nigambodh.
Sawhney: Who makes a living off being a band? I would say at this point, [there are] very few left.
Kind of the same in America, to be honest. What precipitated interest kicking up, or the number of bands kicking up in the last year or so?
Pillai: Boredom, I guess.
Sawhney: I think it's just that every new generation has to make the same mistake and figure out this is not a very economically viable process. They don't realize it because being a band is initially so cool, or it feels good, then it gets complicated.
There's a lot of hip-hop being made right now in India. It's finally caught up here. And there's little electronic music. I think people who make bands always will definitely for a while be more marginal in the music scene, just because it's such a labor-intensive process, as compared to the other forms of music.
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I also perform as an electronic musician, and I can tell you that's just easier. I go on stage with my mic and my DJ console and everything, and I'm basically doing karaoke. All of that is just so simple compared to being in a band, which is a labor-intensive, economic-intensive life-intensive process. It's a real gamble.
What has Peter Cat Recording Co. done to engender that resilience, as a band, but also a business?
Sawhney: I think we've definitely had moments where it looked really bleak and difficult, and something lucky happens. We also persevered. We did a lot of it ourselves initially and we still do, in terms of learning how to record ourselves, make our own videos, produce ourselves, managing the whole thing. We learned how to produce the music ourselves at a very early stage, and that made us self-sufficient.
Pillai: Songwriting to recording, to producing, mixing, mastering, artwork — literally everything we did learn. Eventually we got management and we also got lucky with labels and people approaching us.
Can you talk about crafting the sound of the new record, or how you wanted it to come across from a production standpoint?
Sawhney: At least in the production aspect, I think there's a bit more experimentation in terms of bringing in non-classically band sounds, moving away from just a guitar-driven thing. There's a lot more sample electronic music, hip-hop related elements. That just comes from the fact that we make multiple kinds of music individually. The band is sort of just one of our things and it becomes something we bring to the band and it adds up slowly.
Some songs just take on a life of their own that way. From my angle, there was definitely a concerted effort to move away from the older sound of Bismillah. I was hoping that there are some instances in the new album where you could sit down and be like, I'm not sure what this is, and still preserve the fact that it's enjoyable and accessible at some point.
Making something new now is this concerted process you have to take. You mix your own culture with what you learned outside your own culture, and you start making these new mutants sort of songs. [The trick is] how to make them sound sincere in a way, without just forcing it.
Pillai: In the songs that I ended up writing, they just come in some kind of burst. For one of the songs, how we actually ended up composing it was [keyboard/trumpet player Rohit] Gupta played the keyboard separately. I went in an hour later when I had woken up and I just sang to what he had already played; that's pretty much already 70 percent the song. I mostly just tend to go with that first moment of inspiration, just follow it through.
Any MVP moments from your bandmates that you'd like to shout out on the record?
Sawhney: Some of them were in Joshua Tree. I think after the last tour we did in America, we had some great moments of [working] on something on the spot.
Pillai: [On "Just Another Love Song"], Suryakant and [bassist Dhruv] Bhola, just played it through. I think we took one take of this song. It was completely fine and we just kept it.
Awesome. And what do you guys have coming up? What would you like to plug?
Sawhney: We have that new album apparently. And then we have a tour coming up, an elaborate, long, drawn-out tour. We'll go to America, we'll go to Europe and we'll end in India in December. And I think in the meantime, we'll be making some more videos. We'll be doing the standard stuff right now and hopefully by the end we'll twist into something more unnecessary.
Where do you see your regional scene going in the next five, 10 years? What trajectory is it on?
Pillai: Not really a cohort. It's just a bunch of bands. The indie scene by itself has been getting bigger ever since 2007, or the '90s even. [I'd expect] more festivals, just more stuff happening in general. Five, 10 years, it should just be bigger,
Sawhney: Bands I don't see going anywhere. I think hip-hop will reach some sort of crescendo. Electronic music is always going to do okay because I think rich people really enjoy it in India. I don't know if that's pessimistic, but that's kind how it works.
Pillai: I think everything's going to be fine.
Do you have a favorite song on 'BETA'?
Pillai: I believe it was the third song, "Suddenly." But it all flows nicely. What's your favorite song?
Sawhney: "Beautiful Life," because I hate my life. [Chuckles lightly.] So it's nice to write a song about a better life.
With reporting by Morgan Enos and Jessica Lipsky