It's an odd time for a new Sublime with Rome album to come out — and Rome Ramirez would almost certainly agree. The joyous, complicated, and tragic story of Sublime took a happy turn earlier this year, when Sublime’s original bassist, Eric Wilson, and drummer, Bud Gaugh, reactivated the band with late frontman Bradley Nowell’s son, Jakob, in the driver’s seat.

This overlaps, however, with Ramirez wrapping up his duties as the frontman of Sublime with Rome. He’s been doing this since 2009, and made four albums with them: 2011’s Yours Truly, 2015’s Sirens, 2019’s Blessings, and 2024’s Sublime with Rome, out now. As the reconstituted Sublime soldier on, Sublime with Rome are performing their final dates through the summer — despite having no original members of Sublime in the band anymore, as Gaugh departed in 2011 and Wilson left in February.

Why would there be a Sublimeless Sublime with Rome? In short, because they had booked these dates before Wilson left, and before news of the new Sublime broke. And, perhaps more importantly to Ramirez, because he aims to end on a high note for his heroes and their fans.

"I feel like we're in this coexistence together," Ramirez tells GRAMMY.com. "And just as long as everything remains respectful to the fans, I'm in and I want to do right by them — because they're the ones that have kept this whole thing afloat."

As Sublime roars back with Jakob, don’t let Sublime with Rome’s last album fall between the cracks. It’s a more-than-worthy sendoff for a band that bridged the gap and upheld the band’s legacy, while exploring some interesting creative offshoots via Ramirez’s songwriting.

Indeed, bittersweet highlights of Sublime with Rome, like "Holiday" and "Love is Dangerous," don’t feel like a setting sun, but a rising one. And with Jakob now at the helm, Sublime’s afterlife will continue to carry on the band's legacy in a beautiful way.

Just before Sublime with Rome’s release, Ramirez chatted with GRAMMY.com about the band’s final chapter, and addressed some potential misconceptions about the next iteration of Sublime.

This interview was drawn from three conversations, and has been edited for clarity.

How does a Sublime with Rome song come to be, and how did that apply here?

It usually starts with an idea for a guitar or a really cool sample. I would just start writing an idea for an acoustic and bring it into the studio. Once in the studio with the band, we are able to run it a couple of times and see what direction we want to take the production.

When recording, we tend to run the song a few passes hopefully locking down the rhythm tracks and a rough vocal. After that, we begin overdubs. Lastly I do the final vocals at home in the comfort of my own studio. It allows me to really dial in the lyrics and harmonies.

We really worked on a lot of this music on the tour while on the road for the last two summer tours. Studios in random towns, make-shift studios in dressing rooms, and on the tour bus. We did the thing. It was definitely a community effort, and I'm so grateful for everyone to have lent their hand in the making of this album.

This album marks the end of an era — an emotional conclusion to my journey with Sublime. But I'm hopeful that through the music, you'll find moments of peace and connection, as I did while creating it.

How does Sublime with Rome compare to previous Sublime with Rome albums, or represent an evolution in the band’s sound?

This album feels like a great blend of new and old. To me, It feels very natural and not forced as well. Lyrically, on some of the songs, I really reflect on this whole journey and what our future could be like.

I knew this was the last record when making it. There is something very special about knowing the end is near. In life we don’t always have that luxury of knowing something is coming to end, so when you do you can be much more intentional.

Which tracks on Sublime with Rome are especially meaningful to you, and why?

"Holiday." It’s a bit coded. But the truth is in there. Also, there was a sample from Manu Chao, but they wanted too much publishing and cash, so I pulled it out and made my own loop instead. I will always think of that.

How does it feel to be winding this journey down after 15 years?\
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It's definitely a really beautiful thing, because for me, it's the natural evolution of what is supposed to happen with this band. We've been doing this for so long now, and we've been blessed to travel all over the world and play the greatest venues. I've got to meet so many fans that are just like-minded — like myself, as Sublime fans — and we've accomplished so much.

I think it's the perfect timing to be winding this down. I've been working on this [solo] music that I put together in the pandemic, and I wanted to focus on this now and really give it that energy and that time that I've pretty much just given to Sublime with Rome in the last 15 years, aside from producing for other artists.

I felt like now it would be a good time for me to focus my energies on that. And right around the time, Jakob wanted to step up and take over for his dad's band, which is absolutely his birthright. So, I think it's well-timed now for everyone.

What’s your interpretation of how Sublime with Rome’s end dovetailed with Sublime’s rebirth?

The truth of the matter is, we were going to wind this down so I could focus on my solo efforts. We assumed that the outfit would continue because Sublime is still very relevant in today's world. People love Sublime; they're still discovering Sublime.

The only part that came just a little out of nowhere: me and my crew found out when the world found out — via the Internet, via social media posts — that they were going to be putting the band together with Jakob singing and playing guitar. And it really caught us off guard because we had a lot of shows that we had already pre-scheduled for 2024. [GRAMMY.com reached out to the Sublime camp for comment, but they could not be reached.]

Was this before or after Eric left Sublime with Rome?

This was before. Eric suffered some really serious medical things last year, and then on the summer tour, he went into another issue. Everything really came to the forefront, where it was like, OK, maybe now is the perfect time to start winding this down — so Eric can focus on his health, and I can use the time to focus on this music that I've been making.

We had, I'd say, a good majority of the shows that we have now already pre-scheduled, along with the tour and an album. When he left, that's the part that hurt me — the fact that we had all of these things that we had set up for our fans and we were promoting and telling them about.

I understand they got the Coachella offer, so that was a really enticing move. But I would've really loved to have set it up in a much more graceful type of way that made sense and paid respect to the lineage — me bringing the guys up on stage, then walking off, and then Eric jamming with Bud and Jakob. Something like that would've been really rad.

But instead, I found out with the world. That was the only disheartening part about the situation. But everything happens for a reason, and I do believe that they will find their success. And it's a beautiful thing that Jakob's doing, taking over for his dad's band. I think it's awesome.

Was there any bad blood?

No, no. We had just got off tour. We were in the studio making a record. There was no big, like, "F— you. No, f— you."

We all sat down in the dressing room. I think it was the second or the third night before the tour ended, and Eric was in pretty rough shape. And it was a moment of reflection for all of us.

We talked about the future and about laying low, and we were going to go back in and finishing up some of the last minute touch-ups on the record that we needed to do. And we just pushed aside all that so Eric [could] get home and get some rest and some help.

During that time, that's when we found out everything along with the world. But there was no huge falling out. There was no storming off, no walking off stage, "I'm never talking to you again," nothing like that.

You and Jakob are certainly coming at the project from two different angles.

They asked me to sing for the band coming from the place of being a giant fan. But for Jakob, that's his dad that he lost.

I don't want to put words in his mouth, but from what I assume, these stories — they're still connected to the music, and it's probably a really painful type of thing to be dealing with. And then seeing an iteration of the band that his dad's former band members put together and me singing, I'm sure it may have just been really confusing and painful for him.

The part that I can feel really good about is that over the course of these years, they have made so much money, and so many resources have come to the brand, and eyes, that I just feel so grateful to be a part of that.

Because I like to think, in some weird way, that — I hope — Bradley's stoked on all this. That his music was able to still live on and be able to provide a living for his wife and his son while Jakob was growing up and getting ready to take over his dad's band.

Obviously, the Sublime catalog is successful in and of itself, but us touring — one of the big things was when we started the band, Eric and Bud made sure that they wanted to pay Brad's wife and his son. And obviously that's the whole MO. When we first put the project together, that was a big thing. And we continued to do that over 15 years.

Heck, tonight I have a show, and he's going to get a paycheck for this one too, as he will be moving forward until the tour's done. Because this is Sublime; this is his dad's band. I'm just an employee of the band, but very grateful for it.

Jakob has expressed some criticism of Sublime with Rome’s history of recording new material with a new frontman. But it wasn’t only your decision; it was Eric and Bud’s, too.

Well, yeah. They came to me [about starting Sublime with Rome]. I was living homeless in my van, just playing shows on the beach, wherever I could. And they came to me with this wonderful opportunity — my favorite band. When they wanted to write music, I said, "Heck yeah," because that just sounded fun. It sounded rad.

I still kind of live by that same energy. And I know it can be easy to paint me as the villain in the situation, I guess.

But going back to what I said, we come from different places where I'm just a giant Sublime fan, and that's why I think they picked me to want to get back together. And you'll never be able to take that away from me — because I love this band and I love the music, and no matter what happens, I'll always love Brad, Bud, and Eric.

Sublime will always be a part of my life, and I'm proud of that. And I'm proud of whatever they wanted to do, whether it was to use the name or put new music out, or not use the name or go and play with someone else. That's awesome. Continue along with Sublime. Jakob can pull the license tomorrow if he wants, but there's no need. We were winding down anyway.

How would you summarize what's special about them? Not Sublime with Rome, not Sublime with Jakob — Brad, Bud and Eric.

Dude, to me, the magic of them was always just taking the best parts of music and putting them all together in an album and sometimes in one song. And that just always blew my mind.

And then, the icing on top of that was Brad's voice; there was just f—king nothing in this world like it. Like butter — sweet but dirty.

Tonight, I want to listen to a Sublime song before I go on, just so I can try and sound a little closer and pay a little more homage to Brad. Because that's why I got into this whole thing. I love those guys. I just want to be able to jam it and bring it to the fans.

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